Jack3d?

[Deviation]

Just more proof that any idiot can read a bottle and believe what they read.

Citrulline malate - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145119

Yet you provide zero references yourself. Of course glutamine and BCAAs are in quality powders. That doesn't mean they need to be excluded from a pre-workout supplement. I don't support trying to get all your nutrients from supplements. You need to the right foods as well. That doesn't mean they are evil though.

You seem to have some clue about nutrition Then again given there's no progress photos or anything else related to what YOU'RE doing. The only thing we've seen from you here is negative comments on other's posts. It's good to offer criticism and advice, but your delivery method quite frankly sucks.

[utefaninutah]

Started taking Jack3d again recently and I'm not feeling anything, when it used to give me a great boost. Oh well, time to try NO Explode.

[jghight]

Nobody has asked me what I'm doing. I also don't feel the need post photos of myself on the internet to prove anything. I understand this is a help forum. The only way to gain respect is to share good information.

In my experience the only way to get people to find results is get off the whole "were in this together, kumbia yaaa" and get real. I'm I an asshole? Depends weather your willing to listen to what I say. People respond better when you give it to them straight. You can also squash all the idiots. That said, I am also willing to give props to good information, unfortunately there isn't much of that in this forum yet.

I'm glad to see someone is willing to put the time into a little research. I didn't argue that Citrulline didn't have any benefits. You’re right on with that study from a peer review medical journal. I argued you don't need to supplement it into your diet, you should have (assuming your eating correctly) enough for the desired effect. I argued that it does not correlate to muscle gains and that you’re wasting your money.

Just a reminder...these "respectable companies" want your money and they don't care if they exploit your intelligence to get it. I don't care who it is you read takes supplements such as this. They are payed to spread B.S. like that. It’s all about getting a paycheck. Unfortunately it spreads like wild fire too, until people starting thinking they can't achieve their goals without it. Do you honestly think Jay Cutler uses muscletech anything?

[utefaninutah]

I believe Jay Cutler uses other kinds of supplements... (Ominous tones)


Up to and including roids.

[mrwright]

1

15 egg whites
2 whole eggs
4 slices of Ezekial toast
1 cup (dry) of Ezekial with one cup of coffee
1 serving of Aplodan

Meal 2

10 oz. steak
2 cups of rice

Pre-workout

1 serving of Aplodan
1 serving of naNOX9 or 1 serving of naNO Vapor

Post-Workout

1 scoop of Cell-Tech Hardcore
3 scoops of Anator-p70

Meal 3

10 oz. of chicken
4 cups of rice (cooked)

Meal 4

10 oz. of buffalo meat
2 cups of rice

Meal 5

10 oz. of turkey
1 cup of Ezekial cereal
2 slices of Ezekial bread
1 serving of Aplodan

Meal 6

3 scoops of Nitro-Tech Hardcore
4 slices of Ezekial bread



Jay Cutlers diet plan......

[jghight]

Geeeee. Wonder where you found that!?! I could find ten different versions of Jay Culters meal plan online. You’re doing nothing but proving my point. You will believe anything. He's also famously stated after winning Mr. Olympia that he contributes all of it to muscletech and their products. It's bullshit.

Muscletech is currently in one of the largest lawsuits with the FDA history for false statements on their products. Are all supplements bad? No. A lot of them are useless and a waste of money.

[mrwright]

I dunno where i found that 2bh, as i have no idea who Jay cutler actually is just the first result that popped up to show your point about him not using supplements, and Maybe so but to say anyone can gain serious muscle growth without any kind of supplement is unrealistic, yes it's probably possible to get everything you need from just food, but not without constantly eating masses of meat etc constantly which is pretty unrealistic

i guarantee every single bodybuilder uses some form of supplement

[jghight]

I agree. It is nearly impossible to get all of your daily vitamins and minerals by eating only chicken and brown rice and ect...This is why I supplement my diet with a multi-vitamin. It ensures I shore up any deficientys from my diet. I also agree that no-one would be able to put on muscle without all of those dietary requirements.

That is not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that a supplement such as Jack3d, or better categorized as a "Pre-workout Pump" supplement is not any more beneficial to your muscle building goals and is in fact a waste of money. If you want to spend $40 bucks a month on something that will give you temporary vascularity go right ahead. There are no additional benefits. If you state otherwise I will call you out on it.

You also need to understand that there is a difference between "natural” and "un-natural". In the Jay Culter example (Google him it will help my point). He is an IBFF professional bodybuilder and considered one of the best physiques in the world. If you’re into that sort of thing, I am not. He is Un-natural. The IBFF is an un-tested, un-regulated body building federation. He got this way from a combination of freak genetics and designer steroids.

[mrwright]

aah, i'm with ya now, i read your previous post about cutler wrong

and a pre workout may not directly help with muscle growth if it gives you more energy, makes you feel fitter, stronger, focused etc thus allowing you to lift more, push out an extra couple of reps per set etc then it will have a benefit to muscle growth

But i agree that not all supplements are good, its impossible to have 1000s of products trying to offer the same thing but with completely different doses, ingredients etc

[davematic]

i think people buy jacked 3d because its convienient.they would rather take 5min on a website to order it than spend countless hours finding all the individual ingriedients that do what they need at a lower price. not saying that people shouldn't do research but the majority of folks are lazy and to most people, 1-3 scoops of jacked looks better than a pile of pills or counter top covered in crazy veggies and roots.