Jack3d?

[Deviation]

Nobody has asked me what I'm doing. I also don't feel the need post photos of myself on the internet to prove anything. I understand this is a help forum. The only way to gain respect is to share good information.

I'm not trying to prove anything either. I keep a log so I can flip back through it to see my progress. Posting it publicly makes it a bit harder to reneg. Plus I like to hear from others; good or bad.

In my experience the only way to get people to find results is get off the whole "were in this together, kumbia yaaa" and get real. I'm I an asshole? Depends weather your willing to listen to what I say. People respond better when you give it to them straight. You can also squash all the idiots. That said, I am also willing to give props to good information, unfortunately there isn't much of that in this forum yet.

I don't think this forum is like that. Nothing like the MFP forum. Can't stand that place. Then again, it's not like a very popular bodybuilding forum either which beginners consistently get belittled.

Giving it straight is good. Stating something without any sort of clarification makes a point sound like a insult. Not calling you an asshole.

I'm glad to see someone is willing to put the time into a little research. I didn't argue that Citrulline didn't have any benefits. You’re right on with that study from a peer review medical journal. I argued you don't need to supplement it into your diet, you should have (assuming your eating correctly) enough for the desired effect. I argued that it does not correlate to muscle gains and that you’re wasting your money.

It doesn't directly affect the growth of the muscles, but it does lessen/prevent fatigue which could allow you to do more work. I try to verify what's out there and not blindly follow others. Just like that egg white thread you posted in. You were spot on about the yolks and I was incorrect. I wouldn't have thought twice about eating only whites otherwise.

Just a reminder...these "respectable companies" want your money and they don't care if they exploit your intelligence to get it. I don't care who it is you read takes supplements such as this. They are payed to spread B.S. like that. It’s all about getting a paycheck. Unfortunately it spreads like wild fire too, until people starting thinking they can't achieve their goals without it.

I think we're on the same page here. There's a lot of beginner's that fall prey to supplement marketing. Unfortunately people don't research/read before they act.

Do you honestly think Jay Cutler uses muscletech anything?

I think I saw him wearing one their shirts...

[jghight]

I still think you’re missing it.

Finding individual ingredients would make sense if there was anything in Jack3d worth supplementing. In this case I did the research for you. I hate repeating myself. Caffeine is the only beneficial substance in Jack3d. I can ensure you that caffeine is the effect your feeling when trying to force extra reps. If you don’t believe me try my suggestion (previous post) before working out.

If anyone here cannot take criticism when hiding behind a computer you got bigger problems then your physique. Bad information in this industry is like a wildfire. It is when beginners share bad information with other beginners. If you have no-one around to tell them differently it would be the deaf leading the blind. The advice I share here, lucky for you guys, can only impact you in your wallet.

If you taking any "crazy veggies and roots" I think you may be in the wrong forum. This is fitness not witchcraft.

[Deviation]

If you taking any "crazy veggies and roots" I think you may be in the wrong forum. This is fitness not witchcraft.

So much for my "eye of newt" supplement. It giving me crazy pump during my workouts...

[Robertrogo]

[vise08]

Well in my honest opinion, Jack3d is more or less for a caffeine intake boost with creatine and arginine which will help you build muscle and get that intense focused feeling.

Assault is more of a creatine, arginine and high ingredients/formula based product which contains a SIGNIFICANT amount of ingredients, 1/2 scoops = 20,000 mg of the Assault Formula which is high in Con-Cret creatine, arginine which boost the flow of blood through your body, caffeine but not alot to cause jittering and a bunch of other ingredients.

For a start I would say try out Jack3d to get a sense of what a high caffeine intake product could be. Currently I am finishing up Assault and going to try a new product afterwards (not saying I don't want Assault but I love trying new products) which NO Xplode 2.0 is next on my list and as Justin stated, Amino Energy as well, I want to try those two.

But the choice is yours because they are both equally great products but 1 is caffeine heavy while the other is more arginine heavy.

Caffiene boost?
Did you seriously miss the 1,3DM and BetaAlanine?

[Deviation]

Caffiene boost?
Did you seriously miss the 1,3DM and BetaAlanine?

1,3DMAA probably adds to the effects of the caffeine given its a stimulant as well. Beta-alanine isn't going to give you a boost. It will give a funny tingly feeling if you take enough and may help with overall endurance during the workout.

I'm not going to knock Jack3d at all. It's a decent product and happens to taste great. It is also one of the few that don't give me stomach cramps (lack of fillers I guess). But no matter how you want to look at it, it is a strong stimulant.

[mrwright]

basically Jack3d is alot of caffeine to give you a boost, argine to help bloodflow etc which would help with the "pump", creatine which is obvious, beta alanine to reduce fatigue

End of the day, if it works for you ignore anyone else and enjoy it, if not, don't use it!


I'm just glad i found out i'm seemingly immune to caffeine and smoke too much for the argine to help before i bought any

[Djsultana]

Im worried now im probably the perfect prey for the supplement market and i fall victim to it. I was really keen to try out MP assault because sometimes i jst dont have the energy to get up and into it and endure...I just want something that will help me get the energy i need to get started and atleast be able to push past my breaking points that i face now, i find it really hard to keep healthy foods and nutrients as a part of my everyday intake, so sometimes i jst ned a quick fix is this wrong? lol sorry if i went on a rant

[Djsultana]

What is the aim for a pre workout mix...what is it meant to do for you?

[creatinesuppl]

I loved Jack3d when I was taking it. Watermelon flavor is like nothing else. As Robert said and as their label says, start with low dosages first. It has a fair amount of caffeine and you really need to gauge your reaction to it.