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bme4363
12-11-2013, 01:54 AM
I have been using the body fortress protein from Walmart. It tastes really good and mixes alright. I have been thinking about switching to ON gold standard. Do you think it would be worth the extra cash or is protein just protein? Should I expect better gains from the more expensive proteins and maybe a little less body fat? Just looking for opinions or even better protein options. Thank you.

rickdennis
12-11-2013, 02:56 PM
depends what time of the day you are using protein powders.

THe most optimal protein to date is hydrolyzed, with regards to peri-workout protein shakes. It ensures the quickest delivery of nutrients and less fillers (it's more expensive). YOu wouldn't need too much either, 30g should be plenty per shake. Def worth investing (dymatize hydrosylates, VPX N.O. Synthesize, ON Platinum Hydro)

As far as ON goes, they have always given me gas and stuff so i personally avoid, but i think they use less fillers than other companies out there. My BB coach actually lab-tested a lot of these popular brands, he swears by ON Pro-Complex so i'm sure it's one of the best. Body Fortress most likely isn't too great... obviously cost-effective, and better than not having ANYTHING at all.

hope this helps a little.

bryntevans01
12-11-2013, 11:55 PM
Just to throw a massive spanner of confusion into the works.... When you look at ingredients, it's really important to look at the amino blends as to where in the ingredients qty list they are. The cheap brand labels this as 'super recovery blend'. They are all amino acids, which means that when this product is lab tested it comes out as 30g Protein per scoop. Now, that is true that it has 30g of protein but a massive amount of that is amino acids mix which means that you are essentially feeding your muscles with probably about 15g protein (whey). It's well known as 'Spiking'. I am certainly not saying that amino acid mix in shakes are bad, I'm saying that for them to be that high in the list is a little bit sneaky because it's being filed out. You can google protein spiking if you don't believe me ;-)

So for example if you need 100g protein extra from your shakes, you need 4 shakes of 'ON Whey' 4x30g protein. But if you use the cheaper brand, you will need (presuming a 15g pro) you need 6 shakes 6x42g. Do you see where I am going with this? Even though it's more expensive for the better brand, it's worth it for more value, yield, taste and results.

bryntevans01
12-12-2013, 12:05 AM
Oh, and that 'Glycine' you see as an amino acid. It is of no use to the human body, it is not a BCAA and not essential to our bodies. Just to be more specific.

bryntevans01
12-12-2013, 12:06 AM
http://3fu3l.com/the-protein-spiking-scam/

bme4363
12-12-2013, 12:14 AM
Body fortress is 7.50 a pound and ON gold standard is about 11.00 a pound. I can't see a huge difference between the labels. The extra calories and fat could be adjusted for in my daily macros. The body fortress has six more grams of protein per scoop and it has whey isolate in the ingredients. I might try one of the others that you have recommended that are not so pricey just to experiment and see if it's worth the extra money. Because I too like to make sure I'm getting the most out of my money. Thank you both.

bme4363
12-12-2013, 12:23 AM
http://3fu3l.com/the-protein-spiking-scam/

I'm sorry I didn't see your posts while I was writing my last reply. That makes a lot of sense to why it may be so cheap. What brand protein do you recommend?

bryntevans01
12-12-2013, 09:00 AM
I personally use USN. ON are a great brand, muscle pharm, CNP it's all to do with research really, depends on what you want and how you tend to eat generally. I use USN GF-1 because it's 40g pro, low fat, low carb, which leaves me pretty much flexible with my carbs and fats for my normal diet. Get online and research properly, use the forums and ask otherwise you'll be throwing your money away. Remember that supplements can never replace proper nutrition.

is304
12-12-2013, 03:48 PM
There are a couple of companies that have what they call "full disclosure label" - where they put in exactly how much of each ingredient is in the blend. I always try to pick those - this way I know exactly what I use.

Just the other day I looked at an NO-booster with "proprietary blend". It had all the right ingredients - AAKG, taurine, L-arginine, beta-alanine and four or five others. The problem - their serving is 5g, and they don't put in the proportion. The effective dose is at least 2g for taurine, 2g for alanine, 1-2g for AAKG. Of course, I could take 2-3 doses at once, but how would I know that I won't get an overdose of glutamine (the cheapest ingredient, which I already get from my proteins) and will get enough AAKG (which is more expensive, but is an actual NO booster)? I put the blend right back on the shelf - to wait for another sucker.

bryntevans01
12-13-2013, 12:06 AM
Robertrogo doesn't half talk sense! :-) he's a man in the know.

To make it easier to choose your brand/nutrient mix, think about these things-
Hydrolised whey - fastest/purest absorbing protein
Whey isolate - 2nd fastest/purest

These two are the one you want. But what about casein blends I hear you ask?
Casein is awesome, however it is better taken night as it's a slow releasing and helps build muscle through the night with rest.

So i need just pure Hydrolised or isolate whey right?
Not always. If you want a fast absorbing protein straight after your workout to recover and build instantly, then yes you do want these but, what if your just starting out, your overweight, your new to a balanced diet and you've got to drink 2-3 of these a day (just like I did, I used them as snacks to stave hunger) then really an isolate/casein mix is better as it's released straight away but is prolonged over time and it staves hunger better. Food for thought already? Pro bodybuilders use 3-4 different types of protein through the day, some low carb, some high carb, some isolate and casein depending on their diet. Now here's tricky part. Look at your diet and this will tell you what your looking for, I have a tendency to lack a good amount of protein in my diet and Its usually taken over by carbs and fat. I'm always hungry (as I'm a chef) and if I'm not full, I'm gobbling fries and white bread. So, I look for a quality low carb, low fat, high protein shake with a mix of isolate and casein. This ensures I meet my macros (diet goals) easily whilst being satisfied. I also want some vitamins and maybe some BCAA too. This way I can get my protein from my shakes predominantly and I can eat a balanced diet that I'm used to already. If you are already getting loads of protein with a good balance of carbs and fat then you want to look at a more balanced shake depending on you work out your macros. 24g protein, 20g carbs and 10g fats wouldn't work for me but would suit most other people.

So, before you choose your brand, look at what your eating and what your going to be eating through your training. It's really important to be honest and accurate with it, don't for one minute think your going to the supermarket to spend $200 a week on eggs, it just won't happen! Supplements (let's be honest) are there to top up your nutrition that you either couldn't be bothered to cook or couldn't afford to buy but probably a mix of the two. They have no magical cure or result, so when that guy in the store says 'buy this one, it's the best one on the market' he's probably on commission, and know one experienced buys from a store, they are half the price from the internet. You alone know your diet likes and dislikes, dieting is hard work and only you will know what you will eat, so work of that. Top up your nutrition after you know what you need, then look for the brand that sells the product you need.

Sorry for any ranting, just trying to help, the protein trap people fall into winds me up. It's a mislead, misunderstood and under regulated part if the sport!

bme4363
12-14-2013, 03:07 AM
Thank you everyone for your thoughts and opinions. I'm leaning toward the dymatize elite. It has good reviews, price is good, and 25g of protein. I'm currently bulking and rely on my shakes to add 60 to 80 grams protein a day. I have heard of casein but have never gave it much thought. Would it be worth the extra money to add casein to the mix? If protein is this complicated, then I can't wait to ask about creatine. Lol

is304
12-14-2013, 11:57 PM
Casein is 80% of milk protein (the other 20% is whey). You can get plenty of it from dairy products, but then it comes with carbs and fat. The main difference between the two - whey digest very fast so it's good for pre- and post- workout. Casein takes longer to digest. When my last solid meal is either very light or comes too early in the day I take a scoop of casein to make sure my body gets enough protein through the night. Some people suggest casein as pre- or post-workout. Post-workout kind of makes sense to me if it's mixed with whey - this way your muscles get a shot of whey protein quickly and then a steady flow from protein from casein, but I have not researched it as thoroughly as I'd like to.

As far as creatine - according to examine.com it cannot harm you unless you already are very sick, and is actually beneficial even for people who do not exercise on a regular basis, especially vegetarians, since main source of creatine is meat. It's one of the cheapest and most effective supplements that you can get - so unless you want to go completely supplement free you should take it. I take 5g of creatine monohydrate, but there are other options as well. I've heard of creatine hydrochloride, but never tried it. Creatine malate is a good option - malic acid binds with lactic acid that accumulates in your muscles as you work out (the stuff that gives you "the burn") and neutralizes it, and it can give you an extra rep or two.

bryntevans01
12-16-2013, 11:44 PM
Creatine Monohydrate is the best one to start with. If you want to bulk, it's the way forward, it's probably one of the biggest scientific discoveries of modern medicine in sport. It'll put weight on very quickly, although this is initially water weight as some brands will have a 5 day loading phase of 4-5 servings of 5g powder. There are many types of Creatine as mentioned above with malate and hydrochloride, you will see stuff like Ethyl Ester (which is a form of Creatine) which has 4x quicker delivery system but IMO Creatine Monohydrate in powder form is the cheapest and best route. Some points to consider - there will be a loading phase and initial weight gain (water), you are supposed to take it with fruit juice (lots of debate on this one, the insulin spikes help it get to your muscles) so build that into your diet plans, I take mine with my preworkout. Always buy powder for creatine, it's by far the quickest absorbing. DO NOT skimp on price in this area, it's cold hard Creatine you want, it's a very cheap product anyway so choose a very respected brand, cheap stuff will mean it won't dissolve properly or get the full benefit. Don't buy tablet creatine, there expensive and they take a while to absorb.

If your trying to bulk would you not be better buying an 'all in one' protein shake? Usually when people bulk, they find it hard to meet the calorie goals, particularly when it comes to that many carbs. Just asking!! Dymatize is a great product/company though.

edvast
12-27-2013, 09:57 AM
According to me On gold standard protein is good then other

edvast
01-09-2014, 12:16 PM
ON Gold Protein is best because ON is one of the best brand and many users of this say that this is best.

psanford
03-09-2014, 06:45 PM
Body fortress is 7.50 a pound and ON gold standard is about 11.00 a pound. I can't see a huge difference between the labels. The extra calories and fat could be adjusted for in my daily macros. The body fortress has six more grams of protein per scoop and it has whey isolate in the ingredients. I might try one of the others that you have recommended that are not so pricey just to experiment and see if it's worth the extra money. Because I too like to make sure I'm getting the most out of my money. Thank you both.

There are various different factors that are in play when you are trying to determine the real price of a product but so far the best for me has been to divide the grams of protein per serving by the serving size itself.

for example:

Body Fortress: 30g/protein per serving divided by 42g serving size is 71% of protein content which means that you are getting 0.71lb of protein for the $7.50 that you mentioned

ON: 24g/protein per serving divided by 30.4g serving size is 79% of protein content which means that you are getting 0.79lb of protein for the $11 that you mentioned.

All of that is too much too keep up with so I just buy unflavored protein. That way I know what I'm paying for - protein powder, not flavoring ingredients.

I would recommend you go with one of those brands. And you get to flavor them any way you want to each time you take it.
And I don't know why all of the hype about isolate powders, they don't provide any significant advantages to regular whey. Unless you have issues with high cholesterol (which you shouldn't if you are working out) it's not good ROI.

Here are the brands that my personal trainer recommends:

Jarrow: http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Form...unflavored
GNC: http://www.gnc.com/GNC-Pro-Perfor...d=13164543
TGS Nutrition: http://www.tgsnutrition.com/products/whey

KarolisMak
01-26-2015, 12:42 PM
Hey, i am a new guy. Usually i took care of my body passively and inconsistently, but i am prepared to make it a part of my life now. And i searched for the cheap protein (http://www.qualitysportssupplements.co.uk/116-protein) (for example) on the internet and usually try to test different producers each time. Don't know if price determines the quality of the proteins (powder)... I am from Lithuania and we don't have many options buying salmon :D which is high in proteins and acids. It is expensive and i think - worthless. ALSO, we don't have such shop as Walmart. But I search for the cheap protein on the internet and usually try to test different producers, as i said. But sometimes i found quite cheap. For example £43.99 for 5 lbs. And however, real food complete in minerals is more expensive than powder. Whites of eggs.... how many of them you need to get enough amount per day? A lot. What could be the alternative to those cheap Walmart whey proteins? Could you share links?

AndreyUK
03-19-2016, 03:24 PM
great ON review http://gear-mania.com/review/optimum-nutrition-100-whey-gold-standard/

jayjay770
03-22-2016, 07:53 PM
ON gold standard whey is definitely worth the switch. VP2 protein (http://www.samedaysupplements.com/vp2-protein-by-ast-sports-science.html) by AST is also really good.

fanbrits
04-07-2016, 10:28 AM
Just to throw a massive spanner of confusion into the works

TiffanyMcCall
09-23-2016, 06:15 AM
Hey there? Have you been using the body fortress protein from Walmart? Honestly speaking, it depends what time of the day you are using protein powders. Moreover, your nutrition must be well-considered. Consult your doctor. Moreover, read more information at http://puressay.com/blog/essay-on-nutrition, as this refers to the study of the way in which the substances in food affect our health.

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