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    thanks

    Thanks for the help. I am doing my bench on the machine and with dumbbells. There aren't very reliable folks at the gym to spot during my lifts.

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    Nothing wrong with dumbbells at all. Especially if you don't have a spotter.
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    Deviation... Are you feeling alright old chap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OptikaNET View Post
    Deviation... Are you feeling alright old chap?

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    Not saying I'd consider it a direct replacement, but it's better than sitting on the chest press machine.
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    I only ask because your comment implied that our comments were the exact opposite of what we were actually saying!!!! We were saying machine- bad(ish), Dumbells good, and you weighed in to say there was nothing wrong with dumbells, and I was like "What?"

    I think you misread the posts.

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    My part was directed at the OP's last response about lacking a spotter.

    Machine < Dumbbells < Barbell

    For main lifts anyhow.
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    I disagree - I think dumbells are better than barbell.

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    I hate chest press machines, is the way i hurt my shoulders....somehow i think (i think it was because the grips went too far back, so when doing a weight probably to heavy for me it dropped back abit quick and no idea)

    i use a smith machine or dumbbells now, strangly tho i can lift more on the smith than i now can on the machine
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    My ortho surgeon strongly recommends the smith machine for bench, incline, and military presses. After rebuilding my shoulder and removing my short head bicep tendon resulting from a bench press injury, I didn't think I was ever going to bench again. He had me switch to the smith machine after my recovery. That was a year ago and now I'm totally sold on the smith machine. Yes, at first the motion seems un-natural but it doesn't take long to get used to it. I try and vary the path of motion by moving the position of the bench every other bench day to make sure I'm getting the full benefit. He and I had a discussion about how strong I'm getting recently and he filled me in on some aspects of using the smith machine I hadn't really considered before.

    1. Most of the weight lifters he operates on for shoulder injuries caused by bench press motion were doing traditional barbell bench presses.
    2. The damage from doing traditional bench press is cumulative. The majority of his clients with this injury are in their late 30's to late 40's.
    3. The benefits of touching your chest during bench pressing is a myth and is actually placing far too much unnecessary stress on the shoulder. His advice to me was "let those macho preconceptions about bench press go".
    4. Most people who use the smith machine for bench press place the motion in the wrong place, too close to the neck. I see this all the time at the gym so he is certainly right about this.

    The real beauty of the smith machine for bench press during my recovery was the ability to adjust the stops at various heights above my chest. I started with them about 2 feet away a few months after my surgery and gradually over the year worked to the point where I'm at now with the stops set about a hand-width away from my chest (the point my surgeon recommends). Once I could do that with no pain or discomfort, then I started adding weight. Before my surgery I was doing 1 rep benches (barbell style) at 320 pounds. Now I'm at 440 and that's after having major work done on my shoulder. I'm 5'7" and 168 pounds and just turned 54 so I've got to think my surgeon is a freakin genius. Also, my surgeon is a lifter who is totally ripped.

    Just to amplify on previous comments about spotters - lifting really heavy weight like this with just one spotter is nuts. It's dangerous for you and potentially dangerous for your spotter's lower back if you get in trouble.

    The smith machine I use at my gym is made by Cybex. I happened to run into a Cybex mechanic at a gym in Florida on a business trip who was repairing a counter-weight on one and asked him how much credit to take for the weight of the bar. He said 27 pounds as opposed to the normal 32 to 35 pounds of a traditional barbell.
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    Everyone keeps saying the motion of the smith machine etc is wierd and different to a barbell, just wondering why?!
    Surely with a barbell you go up and down, and you go up and down with a smith? apart from the twist to rack/unrack it it's the same isn't it?!
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