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    I find it really hard to be able to choose between all the [url=http://www.enutriments.com/protein]protein supplements for men[/url] available out on the market today. I've heard that it's better to just make them yourself, is this true or would anyone suggest otherwise?

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    For protein, check out Optimum Nutrition's Gold Standard 100% Whey. Very tasty, affordable, and its packed full of good stuff. I'll be posting a review tonight or tomorrow.
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    After reading this thread, I am still having a hard time making my own decision on what is the [url=http://www.enutriments.com/protein/shakes]best protein shake[/url]. Of course everybody has their own opinion on what's best and what works better but at the end of the day, does it come down to only a matter personal opinion??

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    Creatine is over-rated. While it does have some benefits it is never as much as it is led to believe. If you are a beginning weight lifter I would suggest NOT using this product. Listen, when you start out lifting you will see the greatest gains as your body is not used to the stresses you are putting on it and so will adapt. Your body will adapt and grow WITHOUT any supplements. TOO MANY people credit their gains to Creatine when really it was all you. When your body has adapted and slowed down and you hit some walls for growing, THEN I would suggest taking this supplement. If you start to make gains again then at least you will know it is working.

    Creatine is naturally produced in your body by ways of red meats and such. If you take in too much Creatine, which many do, your body will just have you $hit it out; a waste of money.

    For the most part the benefit of Creatine is to help in recovery which of course the supplement company "exaggerates" and says as you can recover faster you can lift again thus making bigger gains. Creatine does not work for everybody.

    The only real TRIED and TRUE supplement is Protein. You can get this from eating foods but the supplement understand it only a convenience as it is ready to use. The majority of the other stuff is just crap sold by the billion dollar supplement industry.
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    Protein probably comes down to your preference. Over the last 14 years the one I have found tastes the BEST is Dymatize ISO.100 Gourmet Chocolate. It mixes very well and tastes great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by showit View Post
    After reading this thread, I am still having a hard time making my own decision on what is the [URL="http://www.enutriments.com/protein/shakes"]best protein shake[/URL]. Of course everybody has their own opinion on what's best and what works better but at the end of the day, does it come down to only a matter personal opinion??
    Really they will all have the same basic components (excl. isolate specific). The best way to determine what you like is to try a few out. Buy the smaller tubs and try several out. Optimum Nutrition, Dymatize, and Gaspari are all affordable whey proteins.

    I've tried several myself. I personally like ON and I like their flavors. So that's what I use. Ignore the proteins with items other than protein in them. You don't need those yet (or maybe ever).
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    It really all comes down to your diet. Are you getting enough creatine,protein,calories in your diet? A mass gainer will not make you bigger if your not eating more calories then your burn period. If your not getting enough protein from natural foods then maybe whey is the best way to go (I've heard it's the cheapest if not one of the cheapest forms of protein anyway).

    I'd recommend a mass gainer if your not getting enough calories. I would recommend buying a decent quality mass gainer. I basically go for whats cheapest when it comes to protien. I would not recommend doing that with mass gainers.

    Creatine is a great supplement and I would recommend using it. Even if you are just starting out. Yes you'll make gains without creatine anyone can even if they are not a beginner but Creatine helps this has been proven. There is no logical reason in waiting to take creatine as opposed to taking it right off the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by method115 View Post
    Creatine is a great supplement and I would recommend using it. Even if you are just starting out. Yes you'll make gains without creatine anyone can even if they are not a beginner but Creatine helps this has been proven. There is no logical reason in waiting to take creatine as opposed to taking it right off the bat.
    I have never seen any actual proof other than what the supplement industry tries to sell everybody on. And also word of mouth of those that use it but never have not. Here is the thing, one person tells another person and so on and so on and now you have a whole bunch of people on it thinking they got THEIR gains because of Creatine and now they are afraid if they go off it that they will lose their gains. Let people take credit for their gains because THEY earned them not because supplement. Generations of people were weight lifting years ago without it and making great gains prior to this supplement.

    I'm not a big believer in Creatine. I started weight lifting in 1982; failed time after time after time. I got really serious with it in 1997. In 1997 I went from 193 lbs (chub) to 165 lbs (muscle) in around 3 months and was stronger and more fit than ever. I then continued lifting and within a year was around 193 lbs again. I got up to 207 lbs with now after 14 years 208 lbs. During this time I did try Creatine, I actually tried it probably 5 or 6 times (always hoping it would help; sucker!). I recorded everything and I gained nothing by taking it nor when going off it. Aside from perhaps recovering fast and a lighter wallet, it did not do much for me. Again, it doesn't work for anybody but I at least know my gains I earned those years ago were my own; without supplements. I did so by proper eating and eating the right stuff and right amount. ALL needs of a weight lifting can be done so without supplements.

    Prior to taking anything I read up on it. I've looked at "studies" and some done by the medical profession such as your body will stop producing it naturally over time with you taking it however after being off it your body should restart making it. And then there are kidney/liver studies of how it can affect you trying to break it down in the quantities taken. How your body can only take so much and then your body will expel it through bowel movements. How excess can plug your system. Lots of information out there saying one way or another. But of course the supplement industry is going to push it as they make a tonne of cash on it and others. Always something new and improved but those companies don't have to prove anything for a number of years that it has been on the shelves and then remove it because of false claims only to come out again with something new and get that leeway again.

    Nothing wrong with taking supplements if you want to spend the money. For the few who actually get benefits from them then that is awesome. For the majority they get a lighter wallet. The only thing I want is people to actually be educated and not believe the hype but find out things for themselves. Make your gains yourself and then pat yourself on the back for a job well done. Need to get over a hump then try supplements like Creatine and then document gains (or no gains). That is the only real way you will know if it worked or not. You start out with them then how will you ever know?
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    Creatine is one of the most highly argued/debated supplements.

    It does NOT build muscle. It DOES draw water from your body into the muscles. So don't be confused by that. In other words, drink PLENTY of water.

    There has been some concern about kidney/liver interaction with creatine though there hasn't been any solid research to indicate either way (good or bad). Not that I've run across anyhow.

    Those things aside, I take creatine post workout (5g). I don't take anything else with creatine in it. Regular creatine monohydrate isn't expensive either. There are other "special", "refined", "modified" versions that will cost you quite a bit more. Crea-Pure and Con-Cret come to mind.

    A decent read: [url]http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/873.html[/url]

    I[URL="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/873.html"][/URL] will say I agree that decu68 about skipping it as a beginner. You'll get gains (n00b gains if you will) without it.
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    Good read Deviation; much the same information I have read before, thanks for making it available for others.

    For the majority of us lifting we are looking to be bigger, stronger and faster; at least those are my goals. We want that edge especially when you see body builders, athletes, etc. Sadly the majority of us will NEVER look like that and why the supplement industry is raking in the cash. We all want that one thing to get us to the next level, make us look bigger, make us stronger, make us looking better but that only happens based on our genetic code. A small few can get there; I'm envious. For the rest of us to get to that level it would meaning having to cheat and do steroids, GH, etc. I don't want to do this; others don't either. Supplement companies prey upon us offering the moon and can't deliver. I agree that some supplements, and I mean very few, can help but in most of those cases this is only a convenience from having to make those foods containing what we need.

    Creatine has not worked for me. I am an older adult now in my 40's however I consider that young; still more fit than the majority of 20 and 30 years olds out there. I never tried it in my 20's however tried it in my 30's but I could see no discernible results and why stopped; though I tried it over and over HOPING that this time would be the time. Also at that time in my life, and up and till 2 years ago, I was very active with weight lifting 4-6 days a week and training both Taekwondo and Brazilian Jujitsu on top of that 3 to 4 times a week including some competing. "Also, creatine does not seem to increase endurance or improve performance in highly trained athletes." While I wouldn't count myself as a "highly trained athlete" I was most certainly "highly active" and could account for no improvement.

    Knowledge is power. Ignorance is bliss. Misinformation gets passed on from one person to the next till it is believe to be true and correct; that is a sin.

    I'm not against taking supplements, I will probably one day try supplements again, but there is no substitution then working hard with intensity and determination.

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